Sunday, January 7, 2007

did he ever find out

Parshat Vaichi

Did Yaakov ever find out what his children had done to Yosef?

On the one hand when Yaakov dies the borthers tell Yosef that their father insisted Yosef not take revenge on them and harm them. That indicates he knew what they had done and was considered he would take the opportunity of his death to avenge the old fight.

On the other hand, if he knew, why did he not censure them (all the kids) when he gave the brachos, like he censured Shimon and Levi for their actions against Shchem and Chamor? So maybe he did not know.

But if he did not know, when all of the sudden Yosef show up as Prime Minister of Egypt, was he not curious where Yosef had been and what had happened to him for the past 22 years and how and why he disappeared? He must have asked some questions - how did they all answer those questions?

7 comments:

shaya g said...

rafi - pick up a set of the midrash says. It may be for more simple folk like me, but he directly answers (most of) your questions in this section of vayechi.

Rafi G said...

I know there are different opinions. It makes for an interesting debate and we try to figure out what we think makes the most sense.

I also show the kids how to think out different sides of an issue. If they give me one answer, like they for sure told Yaakov, then I say but how come he did not tell them off like he did Shimon and Levi. So they say ok, he did not know, so I ask how could they not tell him after all those years, etc. and we debate it back and forth until the kids get sick of it..

shaya g said...

that's fine - so I do I. I was simply addressing your question as a post though, not as a method of chinuch.

yingerman said...

I think from the wording of shimon and levi he had a good idea but prob not the details

Rafi G said...

what do you mean "by the wording"? what did he say that indicates that to you?

yingerman said...

shimon velevi achim....."ikru shor" the shor refers to Yosef.
see rashi

Rafi Goldmeier said...

maybe, but why would he only criticize Shimon and Levi for it? We do not find them more prominently in the stroy than other brothers.. in fact Yehuda or Reuven should have gotten the criticism, if not everybody together...